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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode 511 for the 5th of August 2018

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Richardson is here with you from Sydney

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Australia and the sort of weather I just

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love folks it's nice and cool well not

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cold in the daytime it feels good to

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feel the Sun on your face but it's not

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hot and it's not humid I sort of wish it

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could be like this all year good weather

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for a light coat and long walks coming

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up on this you don't want to hear about

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my long walks and the good weather

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coming up on this week's show we're

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gonna be interviewing Claire Klingenberg

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all the way from the Czech Republic now

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Claire a noted skeptic is the president

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of the European Council on skeptical

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organizations and shortly she'll be

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traveling to visit Scotland to give some

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talks in Edinburgh and Glasgow so people

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in Edinburgh and Glasgow stay tuned more

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information about those talks coming up

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with my interview with Clare Klingenberg

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and we'll be bringing you news about

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this movie sacrificial virgins the

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anti-vaccination movie targeting the

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Gardasil vaccination the producer is not

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coming to Australia to front her movie

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why you ask why is this happen find out

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later on when I bring you a fresh update

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on this story

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then it's skeptics in the pub Maenads

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spooky action may not and I head for

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skeptics in the pub here in Sydney and

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we interview all sorts of people about

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all sorts of things in fact we had a

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double act going we both have very nice

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microphones now Maynard's had a

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wonderful yellow tech microphone for

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some years and I just acquired one a few

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weeks ago as listeners might remember

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thanks to your generosity of course I'm

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using it right now and we both run

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around the pub and interview all since

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people and find out about the Australian

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skeptics blood drive here in Sydney

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coming up in September then to round off

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the show I interview Craig Shearer the

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chair of the New Zealand skeptics and

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he's going to be telling us about the

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New Zealand skeptics conference coming

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up in November in beautiful Auckland and

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if you're in New Zealand I encourage

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to check out the New Zealand skeptics

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skeptics dot n Zed and find out more

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about the convention but you can listen

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to the show a bit later on and have

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Craig Shira tell you all about it now I

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have some more announcements and bits

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and pieces at the end of the show but

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for now it's time for me to run

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downstairs and whip up some pancakes

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with butter and maple syrup good old

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Canadian recipe I think while I do that

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I hope you enjoy the skeptic zone

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and joining me now all the way from one

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of the most spectacularly beautiful

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countries I've ever visited the Czech

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Republic just near Prague it's clear

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clear Berg hello clear hello wonderful

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to catch up with you I haven't seen you

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since we saw each other

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oh it wasn't New York that was a lot of

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minding my own business and suddenly

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this this ball of energy rushes up to me

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with a big smile on her face and it was

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so nice to see you now for those people

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who don't know too much about you Claire

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what can you tell us about yourself so I

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organizations we try to oversee and

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to make sure that we are all on the same

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page and we share resources and what I

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do for the skeptic movement in my

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country - Republic is that I cooperate

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with a paranormal challenge we test

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abilities and for me as a personal my my

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steady life is that I focus on religion

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religious studies wow that's fascinating

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and as I said at the the introduction a

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really is I had the pleasure of going to

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all emotes about five years ago for the

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the fo the the documentary the film and

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had there now what currently is is

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forefront in the in the mind or the

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activities of the European Council of

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sceptical organisations is there one

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thing that you're pushing or promoting

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or investigating at the moment

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well currently we're taking you into

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summer break no it's me serious well we

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are trying to create materials on

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various skeptical topics which can be

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so we will really have a unified message

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that we would be pushing forward on on

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the topics for example as such as GMOs

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skepticism and what we are working on

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now of course is also our colleagues are

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preparing the next European Congress

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so that's which will be happening next

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most likely in Ghent so that's the two

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main things we're working on it's a lot

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of work I know I mean organizing any

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convention any conference like that and

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months I know how much work that can be

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so it's good that you have a year longer

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the better to to organize these things

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and I'm sure that we'll be hearing more

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about that as time progresses now you're

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not you're not just sitting back having

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a nice holiday are you you're preparing

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to go to Scotland what can you tell me

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about that this time I'll be I'll get to

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talk about my passion which is religion

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which might sound strange for a skeptic

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skeptic to say but I am really

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fascinated by belief and how belief

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works and this time in Scotland I'll be

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giving a talk in Glasgow for the

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skeptics in Glasgow and then and the

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skeptics under French in Edinburgh about

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what we can learn from religious people

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and from visiting various religious

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cults and religious movements wow that's

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really interesting because of course it

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all ties in with skepticism especially

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because these are things that we can

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these sort of claims when it comes to

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well I mean we get things like demonic

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possession and things like that which I

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find very interesting yes it's not just

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about demonic possession it's it's kind

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of devoting your whole life or changing

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your whole life based on faith and based

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on beliefs and sometimes superstition

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and that's why I find visiting cults

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rearrange your whole lives around this

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untestable or up to standpoint and

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of human history the vast majority of it

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that's how our ancestors would live day

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to day wasn't it exactly I mean you hope

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that if you sacrifice your your goats to

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do rain God it was going to rain yeah so

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superstition I was just reading this

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detective novel at the airport when I

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was traveling from New York back to

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Prague from the this year's incident and

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it was a beautiful line in it about

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people who lived their life based up on

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their own destiny and over their own

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fate so I love that that's an

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interesting indeed and I hope you had a

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good time this year at Nexus oh yeah

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to all be we were shuffled around for

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strange well I hope that Scotland has a

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better welcome foyer than a burning

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what are your dates were in Scotland

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exactly do you have those yes so I'm

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personal regards I some years back I had

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skeptics in the pub which is um just

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folks I'll put links to the talks if

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visit and talks if you can make it I'm

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sure you'll have a wonderful evening

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well Claire I hope you have a great time

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and I hope you have thank you continued

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success with your yeah very prestigious

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title there in in Europe no I mean just

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to do a little plug I mean Sean Slater

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and his group of Edinburgh sceptics they

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really do a great job every year on this

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on the fringe festival they have so many

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that out not just me but all that cool

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testing water divining in Edinburgh that

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missing my colleagues in Germany they

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have a big hair going to test like four

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or five divining-rod people there oh I'm

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jealous I am so jealous

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it could be knife as if that's what

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with that and I look forward to any

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reports oh great but for now Clare

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Klingenberg from the beautiful Czech

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Republic thank you very much

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calling all skeptics or listeners do you

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live in or near Glasgow or are you

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planning to visit something then you're

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in luck because Glasgow skeptics have

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got your Monday nights sorted we are

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committed to filling up every available

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Monday night talks on science and

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skepticism past speakers include Eugenie

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Phelps Tom and Cecil from cognitive

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drilling nor Heath and Eli from the

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skating atheist Simon Singh Rebecca

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Watson and a multitude of local

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academics and skeptics there's literally

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nothing better you can do on a Monday in

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self-help for your brain now here's an

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week about the movie sacrificial virgins

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the anti-vaccination movie aimed at the

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goddess or vaccination and last week we

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told you how the Minister for Health was

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not pleased with this movie coming to

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Australia well the strange thing is it's

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available free online it's on YouTube

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and it's in three parts

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I've suffered through the first part I

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will suffer through the next two parts

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David Gorski has done a very good

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write-up about it and I'll link to that

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in the show notes and I encourage you to

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read that before viewing the movie

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I'll view the movie then read that but

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this news comes to us from news.com

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today you and it was published on the

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1st of August visa delay halts

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anti-vaxxer filmmakers joan sentence

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tour of australia a controversial

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filmmaker has cancelled her trip to

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australia to promote her

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anti-vaccination film slammed by the

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government now I can't see a byline so

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I'm not sure who's written this however

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the maker of an anti vaccination quote

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documentary end quote to be aired in 7

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secret locations has canceled her tour

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of Australia because her visa

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application wasn't determined in time

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this might be welcome news to Federal

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Health Minister Greg Hunt who has

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slammed British journalist joan sentence

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controversial film sacrificial virgins

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ahead of its launch in australia on

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thursday and that would have been

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thursday just gone the anti-vaccination

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film opposes the Gardasil vaccine claims

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that human papillomavirus HPV it

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protects against does not cause cervical

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cancer and that the vaccine can cause

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quote neurological damage in quote mr.

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hunt says that's rubbish and the film

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spreads quote false and reckless claims

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unquote Gardasil is administered free in

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australia to boys and girls aged ten and

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over as part of the National

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immunisation programme and government's

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cancer prevention program now last week

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when I read a report I actually miss

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spoke I misquoted and I said national

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immigration program where I meant to say

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national immunization program and I

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didn't pick it up in post-editing sorry

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about that we read on quote the science

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is in and the medical experts advice is

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absolute vaccination saves lives and

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protects lives and they are an essential

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part of a healthy society in quote mr.

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hunt told Fairfax when the Australian

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launch of the film was announced quote I

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have no time for the false and reckless

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claims made by anti-vaxxers and I will

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continue to call out their dangerous

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claims in quote I think that's probably

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from a press release because last week

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there was a similar quote

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being used meanwhile the man behind the

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Gardasil vaccine Australian scientist

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Ian Fraser said the film was court faked

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news man there was no evidence to

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support the claim that HPV vaccine

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caused harm and warned it may cause

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preventable deaths and I think he of

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course he's referring to the film their

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quote spreading fake news about vaccines

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can only lead to anxiety in parents and

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the community and possibly loss of lives

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if young boys and girls are not

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vaccinated as the consequence when quote

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he said the Australian vaccination risks

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network and remember they used to be the

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Australian vaccination skeptics Network

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and before that the Australian

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vaccination network president assured

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David suggested miss Shenton was quote

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refused permission and quote to enter

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Australia because she was told last week

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her visa application had been taken out

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of the automated assessment procedure

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and was being quote manually assessed in

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quote by the Department of Home Affairs

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with no answer before she was due to fly

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she cancelled her trip her visa remains

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quote under consideration when quote a

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Home Affairs spokesman told SBS the

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special Broadcasting Service which I

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think was the original source of this

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report now I will link to this update in

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the show notes but to boil it down it's

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simply the news that junction tan is not

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coming to Australia the film is

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currently being screened as I record

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this I believe but as I said at the

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beginning it's freely available online

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you can watch this dreadful documentary

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if you want to and again I urge you to

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also read David gorski's takedown

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criticisms of this documentary and as a

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documentary maker myself if you google

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the vaccination chronicles link in the

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show notes you'll see I've also done

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other documentaries on water divining as

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a documentary making myself technically

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it's not so good it's not so flash but

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as they say content is king and but even

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a poorly made documentary on a good

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subject with

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a great interest can be worth watching

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I'm afraid this one sort of falls down

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on both fronts now there might be some

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more news coming our way about this saga

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I'm not sure we'll find out in the

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coming weeks and if there is more news

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we shall bring it to you hi g'day I'm

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going to cow and I wanted to be speaking

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as skeptic on Australia 2018 and first

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were the hippies right when they said

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that reality is only for people who

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can't handle drugs well we're going to

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explore that so what is the real colour

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of the universe do people use only 10%

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of their brain do the seven deadly sins

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actually still exist do diet drinks get

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you drunk er how can you tell

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quickly if a list of numbers is faked

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and are we living in the best or the

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worst of times

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and what generates more power on a

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weight per weight and volume 4 volume

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basis the Sun or your compost pile and

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worst of all I'll tell you the real

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truth about said meat dr. Karl Cruzan

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risky at sceptical 2018 the Australian

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skeptics National Convention October the

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13th and 14th at the Concours Chatswood

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tickets available at a convention of

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skeptics dot-com got a you

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his main art spooky action at the

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it's skeptics in the pub once again here

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in Sydney I'm with late night hello it

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should great to be here - using our

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double mic setup we'll see how this

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works if it works or not tonight

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and we've also got our mic cubes on

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there which you actually put in

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delicious soup or you put in water to

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make podcasting soup mic microphone

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cubes try it at home kids microphone

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cubes photograph on the Facebook site

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I'll put a photograph on the Facebook

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site so listeners can see if you're

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thinking what the hell is that suit my

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dad's wearing well it's from Greville

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Street in Melbourne at 1990 and it's the

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brand is atomic which no longer exists

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and once you see the suit you might find

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out why I explained it

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the crowd is rolling in as we speak with

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the rail in off their heads it's amazing

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they way they they go for a bit of a

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drink to warm up yes let's have a look

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around

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Maynard's go on ahead I think he's

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heading for the bar now we used to have

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a question which you become up with a

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question from everybody you know what I

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haven't got a question tonight I've

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drawn a bit of a blank but I guess we

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can ask our old friend and physicist Ian

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Bryce who's sitting over there

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the scenes in the middle of everything

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and he's there eating something so

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Sierra G goes come around here walking

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around the table now and I'm heading for

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the chief investigator or the challenge

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coordinator for the Australian sceptics

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he and Bryce good evening in hello

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Richard how are you I'm very well what's

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the hot topic in skepticism at the

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moment as far as you're concerned well

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remember some of you might remember

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Stephen Horvath and his hydrogen fusion

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powered water car yeah this is a lesson

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in the 1980s this is going back a long

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time yes the 1980s this was a in

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Queensland a man who said he could run

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his car on water right he did indeed

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and he gave a media demonstration but it

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was very sad when it came time to start

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the car he couldn't find the key Oh

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anyway the point is he's reappeared with

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a cold fusion machine so I was a much

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younger skeptic investigator in those

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days like it was 1980s compared to

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the teamís matine's so he presumably

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he's that much older as well so he can't

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be any spring chicken either I'm

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surprised I mean this is one of the

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stories I remember hearing in the very

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early days of the skeptics yes indeed

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yes I think he's he's got a company

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called star scientific or something like

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that now it's on my list to investigate

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to see what he's up to he's he's no

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doubt receiving money again and making

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claims about saving the world saving the

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planet from its energy shortage and

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carbon free energy and all that there's

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nothing new Under the Sun Ian absolutely

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thank you as we usually like to start at

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the back of the room cuz the naughty

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people at the back of the room that on

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the back of the room on that side and

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here who've we got here I'm Nick Krause

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know through Nick great tube it

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maintains my name great to meet you too

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now I've been asking people what is the

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most modern whoo they can think of one

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of the newer wars it's come along

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because people say oh there's nothing

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new Under the Sun well occasionally

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there is what's one you can think of

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well I'm not sure how modern this is but

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but the earwax cleaning where they light

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a candle it you candling that's what

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they sell it as being like I hope the

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Indian thing don't they I think yeah so

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I suppose it's got a bit of a tradition

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or do they just go ah look we'll just

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tell them it's a Hopi Indian yeah

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everybody spoke on a squat see and I

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love this as long as it feels like it's

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all world I think that's what the damnit

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no I've never done it of the same people

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do ago I had the fortune of doing it the

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night before I went to st. e nose and

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throat guy so the next day I was having

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a tan automata test and he put he said

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what have you been doing was the first

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thing he said to me no it our ear

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candling he said there's all sort inside

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your ear canal he said never do that

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again yeah he was horrified that I did

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it yes well it's surprising how much is

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supposed to come out of a 2-centimeter

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hold who I always want you know you they

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unravel it Liz yeah

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Mountains have build up that's supposed

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to it comes out of the hole there if you

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just let it there on nothing it would

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still do it yeah yeah it's great trick

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yeah yeah same with the soles of the

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feet one is if they go brown no matter

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what anyway yeah yeah yeah that and

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Reiki which sort of fit into the same

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sort of practice a bit at the top I

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think I like Reiki when they can do it

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over the phone yeah that's the one I

544
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like who's that that's great I mean GPA

545
00:24:22,399 --> 00:24:20,909
if that ever got onto Medicare maybe a

546
00:24:25,639 --> 00:24:22,409
lot of people making a lot of money yeah

547
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:25,649
I hope I hope enjoy your evening tonight

548
00:24:31,159 --> 00:24:29,490
thank you very much I'm a nods working

549
00:24:34,220 --> 00:24:31,169
one into the room I'm down here at the

550
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:34,230
other end of the room good evening good

551
00:24:39,950 --> 00:24:35,970
evening nice to see you here back again

552
00:24:42,619 --> 00:24:39,960
at skeptics in the pub that's a regular

553
00:24:44,330 --> 00:24:42,629
pub er if I could put it that way what

554
00:24:47,090 --> 00:24:44,340
is it about skeptics in the pub him is

555
00:24:49,820 --> 00:24:47,100
that the variety is that the chance to

556
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:49,830
mingle socially I really like the talks

557
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:51,090
you get some really interesting guest

558
00:24:56,419 --> 00:24:54,450
speakers in because I know there's

559
00:24:58,190 --> 00:24:56,429
people around the world who think well

560
00:25:00,669 --> 00:24:58,200
shall we have a skeptics in the pub or

561
00:25:03,289 --> 00:25:00,679
not in their location I always say yes

562
00:25:05,509 --> 00:25:03,299
so from your point of view it's having

563
00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:05,519
interesting speakers every month it is

564
00:25:08,930 --> 00:25:07,289
for me and you can look at the topic

565
00:25:10,639 --> 00:25:08,940
online you think I really really want to

566
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:10,649
see that you get a point of view that

567
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:12,570
you can't necessarily find easily online

568
00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:15,570
for example and saw the noise so if you

569
00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:17,700
find interesting people then I

570
00:25:21,980 --> 00:25:20,220
definitely want to hear from them it's a

571
00:25:25,249 --> 00:25:21,990
very good point why I come here for the

572
00:25:29,070 --> 00:25:25,259
the shampoo myself of course it goes

573
00:25:32,379 --> 00:25:31,239
we're gonna I ran he's our happy

574
00:25:33,580 --> 00:25:32,389
president here he's been out there

575
00:25:35,350 --> 00:25:33,590
makings have you written any

576
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:35,360
presidential decrees like Trump written

577
00:25:38,409 --> 00:25:36,799
down some stuff and given it to people

578
00:25:40,539 --> 00:25:38,419
here an executive order sorry an

579
00:25:41,979 --> 00:25:40,549
executive order my executive order says

580
00:25:44,889 --> 00:25:41,989
that everybody must behave rationally

581
00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:44,899
from now on good luck with that well

582
00:25:50,590 --> 00:25:48,529
good luck with look out what we've been

583
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:50,600
asking people and you might be upon this

584
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:52,610
ISM I've been asking people what do you

585
00:25:57,549 --> 00:25:55,039
think is the newest who that's around we

586
00:25:59,379 --> 00:25:57,559
all know all time we like astrology who

587
00:26:01,779 --> 00:25:59,389
perhaps me one the oldest run have to be

588
00:26:03,639 --> 00:26:01,789
a medical work some sort oh yeah medical

589
00:26:04,989 --> 00:26:03,649
or lifestyle because that's that's

590
00:26:07,690 --> 00:26:04,999
what's happening at the moment people

591
00:26:10,029 --> 00:26:07,700
are always looking for magic solutions

592
00:26:11,289 --> 00:26:10,039
to their problems what about that

593
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:11,299
cranial one where they put the balloon

594
00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:13,970
up your nose how new is that one I guess

595
00:26:17,349 --> 00:26:15,710
well they it said I inflate the balloon

596
00:26:19,779 --> 00:26:17,359
up you know it was lucky enough to be

597
00:26:22,239 --> 00:26:19,789
oblivious to that until now so thank you

598
00:26:25,130 --> 00:26:22,249
oh my god that's okay I think it's a

599
00:26:28,039 --> 00:26:25,140
it's a subset of choir practice

600
00:26:29,780 --> 00:26:28,049
I don't even know what to say balloon up

601
00:26:31,730 --> 00:26:29,790
the nose you inflate the balloon a bit

602
00:26:34,340 --> 00:26:31,740
and it balances the bones it's just

603
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,350
inside the sinuses or something I think

604
00:26:39,740 --> 00:26:36,720
an ENT would be better equipped to deal

605
00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:39,750
with my nose than your backed up balloon

606
00:26:45,650 --> 00:26:43,110
up my nose well no I I don't know

607
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:45,660
look I'm not it's not a medical expert

608
00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:47,490
of course but it doesn't sound right to

609
00:26:50,539 --> 00:26:48,809
me look there's plenty of apps on your

610
00:26:51,770 --> 00:26:50,549
mobile phone that are pretty woo we like

611
00:26:53,810 --> 00:26:51,780
the ones that like show you pretty

612
00:26:55,549 --> 00:26:53,820
colors and supposedly make you relax and

613
00:26:57,650 --> 00:26:55,559
stuff like that that's a bit well I

614
00:26:58,730 --> 00:26:57,660
think it could make you relax the

615
00:27:00,740 --> 00:26:58,740
question is whether there's evidence

616
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:00,750
that it actually does that on a regular

617
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:02,400
basis and better than other things

618
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:03,840
you know there's all kinds of things you

619
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:05,850
know playing solitaire maybe makes you

620
00:27:12,919 --> 00:27:10,410
real I'm not sure that any of these

621
00:27:16,450 --> 00:27:12,929
stuck up in terms of evidence yeah good

622
00:27:19,460 --> 00:27:16,460
good point we enjoy your night Thanks

623
00:27:20,750 --> 00:27:19,470
it's two Mendham Jim the question of the

624
00:27:23,270 --> 00:27:20,760
night I think the question of the night

625
00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:23,280
what's the most recent whoo you've heard

626
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:27,480
about today I mean you're on the

627
00:27:31,010 --> 00:27:28,799
frontline of the Australian skeptics

628
00:27:33,650 --> 00:27:31,020
you'd get questions often or people

629
00:27:35,810 --> 00:27:33,660
requiring yeah absolutely yes the ones

630
00:27:37,340 --> 00:27:35,820
I've had recently were obviously the

631
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:37,350
miracle House he mentioned that one the

632
00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:38,970
the German oh that's a good point oh

633
00:27:42,140 --> 00:27:40,500
please tell our audience yeah well

634
00:27:44,750 --> 00:27:42,150
basically there's a house in the western

635
00:27:46,490 --> 00:27:44,760
suburbs of Sydney where the the son of

636
00:27:51,230 --> 00:27:46,500
the family died in the car crash in

637
00:27:53,690 --> 00:27:51,240
about the 2008 2009 and apparently his

638
00:27:56,270 --> 00:27:53,700
spirit has come back and is manifesting

639
00:27:59,390 --> 00:27:56,280
itself in the house by dropping oil down

640
00:28:02,000 --> 00:27:59,400
the side of the walls and leaving ash in

641
00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:02,010
the floor etc and it's become a bit of a

642
00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:04,710
a tourist spot a bit of Earth of if a

643
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:06,809
lot of the the Lord's type true is

644
00:28:10,970 --> 00:28:08,130
they're actually turning up their people

645
00:28:12,620 --> 00:28:10,980
coming to pray and and do all sorts of

646
00:28:16,430 --> 00:28:12,630
wonderful things about now this is a

647
00:28:19,850 --> 00:28:16,440
story at five six seven years ago and I

648
00:28:21,500 --> 00:28:19,860
was on one of these TV shows to make my

649
00:28:22,649 --> 00:28:21,510
comment about it but I've never actually

650
00:28:23,940 --> 00:28:22,659
gone to the house

651
00:28:25,739 --> 00:28:23,950
now I haven't been to the house I don't

652
00:28:27,899 --> 00:28:25,749
know Ian has our challenge coordinator

653
00:28:29,399 --> 00:28:27,909
has been there right he went back there

654
00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:29,409
when it was first up pretty much it was

655
00:28:33,779 --> 00:28:31,929
pretty soon after I was first announced

656
00:28:35,129 --> 00:28:33,789
and but it has they're still going and

657
00:28:37,169 --> 00:28:35,139
still going strong look at a facebook

658
00:28:38,969 --> 00:28:37,179
page lots of videos and things they're

659
00:28:41,249 --> 00:28:38,979
showing they're having concerts there

660
00:28:43,259 --> 00:28:41,259
it's all sort of thing so it seems to be

661
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:43,269
sort of very exciting for them you know

662
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:44,799
then which is which is interesting but I

663
00:28:48,180 --> 00:28:46,570
mean to my point of view and I was

664
00:28:50,219 --> 00:28:48,190
having a chat with a journalist about it

665
00:28:52,499 --> 00:28:50,229
the manifestations of this thing are the

666
00:28:54,419 --> 00:28:52,509
most banal things you've ever heard you

667
00:28:55,619 --> 00:28:54,429
know from having the oil running down

668
00:28:56,940 --> 00:28:55,629
the wall which looked like it's been

669
00:28:59,249 --> 00:28:56,950
splashed on and they're just running

670
00:29:00,499 --> 00:28:59,259
down some of which is now turning brown

671
00:29:02,849 --> 00:29:00,509
and probably getting a bit smelly

672
00:29:04,589 --> 00:29:02,859
there's ash which turns out with the oil

673
00:29:06,810 --> 00:29:04,599
turns out to be was has been tested

674
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:06,820
scientifically turns out to be vegetable

675
00:29:10,259 --> 00:29:07,919
oil mixed with water

676
00:29:13,049 --> 00:29:10,269
there's the ash on the floor which turns

677
00:29:15,419 --> 00:29:13,059
out to be just charcoal there's now

678
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:15,429
appearing bits of incense which were

679
00:29:18,690 --> 00:29:16,720
there before so there's a bit of a

680
00:29:21,149 --> 00:29:18,700
development could of evolution in the

681
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:21,159
miracles but the manifestation there's

682
00:29:25,889 --> 00:29:22,690
things being written on the walls like

683
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:25,899
the the sun's birth date which means God

684
00:29:34,159 --> 00:29:33,019
but I mean and honestly it's it'll be

685
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:34,169
more interesting with something exciting

686
00:29:37,940 --> 00:29:35,730
happen something really sort of you know

687
00:29:39,380 --> 00:29:37,950
definitive States something that sort of

688
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:39,390
you know will turn the a bit become

689
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,490
prime minister that sort of things let

690
00:29:45,289 --> 00:29:43,200
me know we covered this some years ago

691
00:29:46,850 --> 00:29:45,299
in the in the journal the skeptic and

692
00:29:48,140 --> 00:29:46,860
I'll add a link on the show notes and in

693
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:48,150
fact I wrote something about it all

694
00:29:51,260 --> 00:29:49,679
those years you have to read read it

695
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:51,270
myself to remember yeah well sort of

696
00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,890
after you guys after a and and you sort

697
00:29:56,899 --> 00:29:54,960
of made your pronouncements on TV

698
00:29:59,149 --> 00:29:56,909
me being the frontline kept getting

699
00:30:02,210 --> 00:29:59,159
phone calls from outraged people saying

700
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:02,220
you know you you dirty heathens etc

701
00:30:06,919 --> 00:30:05,279
thing anyway so yeah that's the price

702
00:30:09,139 --> 00:30:06,929
you pay for being on the front line the

703
00:30:12,639 --> 00:30:09,149
front line now I was on radio last night

704
00:30:15,260 --> 00:30:12,649
here in New South Wales in the evenings

705
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:15,270
you've got any reactions at the disk

706
00:30:20,899 --> 00:30:17,690
from that no no all right

707
00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:20,909
wasting my time you know I'm sure it'll

708
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:22,049
come in I mean we've been getting a lot

709
00:30:25,639 --> 00:30:24,330
of that bagged homeopathy you bagged

710
00:30:27,620 --> 00:30:25,649
honey up with me very well actually I

711
00:30:28,789 --> 00:30:27,630
think he did have some phone calls that

712
00:30:30,620 --> 00:30:28,799
came in I heard actually they were

713
00:30:32,149 --> 00:30:30,630
supportive of you some that weren't but

714
00:30:34,159 --> 00:30:32,159
in the studio yeah they didn't put them

715
00:30:35,810 --> 00:30:34,169
all the way oh really okay okay that's

716
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:35,820
good to hear actually no because we do

717
00:30:39,289 --> 00:30:37,770
also promoted the bent spoon aboard yeah

718
00:30:41,930 --> 00:30:39,299
which I am getting a good run on

719
00:30:44,330 --> 00:30:41,940
actually very sees a lot of nominations

720
00:30:48,019 --> 00:30:44,340
coming in for various people especially

721
00:30:50,889 --> 00:30:48,029
a lady named Sarah Stevenson who has a

722
00:30:54,820 --> 00:30:50,899
blog called Sarah's day in which he has

723
00:30:58,190 --> 00:30:54,830
described how she has cured herself of

724
00:31:02,630 --> 00:30:58,200
precancerous debris get pre cancer or

725
00:31:04,130 --> 00:31:02,640
cervical issues and with with natural

726
00:31:05,570 --> 00:31:04,140
foods and that sort of stuff at a bit of

727
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:05,580
prayer as well we've heard this sort of

728
00:31:09,289 --> 00:31:07,200
thing before haven't we dropped out many

729
00:31:11,060 --> 00:31:09,299
times so a lot of people pretty outraged

730
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:11,070
about that one actually so people want

731
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:12,510
to nominate somebody in Australia for

732
00:31:15,649 --> 00:31:13,710
the bench spoon award they just go to

733
00:31:17,510 --> 00:31:15,659
skeptics calm today you kind of skeptics

734
00:31:18,919 --> 00:31:17,520
condo you pull down one of the menus and

735
00:31:20,779 --> 00:31:18,929
you'll see been spoon awards down there

736
00:31:22,159 --> 00:31:20,789
and you can sort of see the past winners

737
00:31:23,510 --> 00:31:22,169
off the bed spoon award and even make

738
00:31:24,980 --> 00:31:23,520
your own nomination for this year as

739
00:31:26,779 --> 00:31:24,990
well and if you're feeling particularly

740
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:26,789
bored one day just ring up him and tell

741
00:31:31,490 --> 00:31:29,279
him you're amazing claim yeah yeah

742
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:31,500
thanks Richard thanks a lot I get those

743
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:32,970
all the time

744
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:35,410
I'm a speaker the Postum actually gave

745
00:31:38,580 --> 00:31:37,090
us a question tonight because this is a

746
00:31:39,930 --> 00:31:38,590
real winner I thought and I really

747
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:39,940
enjoyed your segment on the latest

748
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:41,530
skeptic down as well well that's that's

749
00:31:44,550 --> 00:31:42,910
where the inspiration came from it's

750
00:31:47,550 --> 00:31:44,560
modern we like you know we've moved into

751
00:31:49,530 --> 00:31:47,560
the 21st century and there's all sorts

752
00:31:52,590 --> 00:31:49,540
of random crap out there and I think

753
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:52,600
that it's nice to embrace it and pick it

754
00:31:54,930 --> 00:31:54,010
apart well it's true because a lot of

755
00:31:57,210 --> 00:31:54,940
people say oh there's nothing new Under

756
00:31:59,130 --> 00:31:57,220
the Sun as well but a lot of these are

757
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:59,140
reworking of old ideas but there's some

758
00:32:02,490 --> 00:32:00,880
stuff in there I remember there was an

759
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:02,500
iPhone app that would flash colors at

760
00:32:05,850 --> 00:32:04,450
you that would make you relax and I

761
00:32:07,230 --> 00:32:05,860
think it was also there was one were

762
00:32:09,420 --> 00:32:07,240
they a Chinese when they reckoned they

763
00:32:10,830 --> 00:32:09,430
could purify stuff by the colours and I

764
00:32:12,330 --> 00:32:10,840
thought no there's no colour that's

765
00:32:14,340 --> 00:32:12,340
gonna come out of an LED screen it's

766
00:32:15,270 --> 00:32:14,350
gonna kill bugs yeah exactly and things

767
00:32:16,410 --> 00:32:15,280
as well that you know the little

768
00:32:17,730 --> 00:32:16,420
stickers that you're supposed to put on

769
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:17,740
the back of your phone and it protects

770
00:32:21,540 --> 00:32:19,810
you and if they actually work then your

771
00:32:23,130 --> 00:32:21,550
phone wouldn't work all that kind of

772
00:32:24,390 --> 00:32:23,140
stuff so that's very modern isn't it

773
00:32:25,950 --> 00:32:24,400
it's a modern take on things and yeah

774
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:25,960
it's very interesting because you

775
00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:27,490
brought up the fact that all all the

776
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:28,990
ones that measure your cycle when you're

777
00:32:33,420 --> 00:32:30,250
trying to get pregnant or not getting

778
00:32:33,870 --> 00:32:33,430
pregnant is very individual and highly

779
00:32:37,140 --> 00:32:33,880
variable

780
00:32:40,260 --> 00:32:37,150
yeah I mean so like they claimed some 95

781
00:32:43,140 --> 00:32:40,270
ish percent efficacy but that's in like

782
00:32:44,820 --> 00:32:43,150
a very very small number of people and

783
00:32:46,590 --> 00:32:44,830
who has time to take the correct basal

784
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:46,600
temperature at the same time every day

785
00:32:50,910 --> 00:32:48,970
who actually has a life right exactly I

786
00:32:52,350 --> 00:32:50,920
know I certainly don't know exactly well

787
00:32:54,060 --> 00:32:52,360
it's an odd thing to do first thing in

788
00:32:55,740 --> 00:32:54,070
the morning you know and of course it's

789
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:55,750
got to be when you just wake up isn't it

790
00:32:58,650 --> 00:32:57,130
like you can't be too awake they're also

791
00:33:00,510 --> 00:32:58,660
temperature changed immediately doesn't

792
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:00,520
you literally have to be opening your

793
00:33:03,810 --> 00:33:02,320
eyes and shoving a thermometer in your

794
00:33:04,350 --> 00:33:03,820
mouth no thanks

795
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:04,360
Wow

796
00:33:09,690 --> 00:33:07,090
and how's it go up or down after wake up

797
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:09,700
by the way just them usually I would

798
00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:11,890
imagine you up a bit because you I think

799
00:33:14,850 --> 00:33:13,510
it generally goes up a little bit it

800
00:33:16,769 --> 00:33:14,860
certainly fluctuates and obviously

801
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:16,779
things like the idea is you do it as

802
00:33:20,159 --> 00:33:18,399
soon as you wake up because you brushed

803
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:20,169
your teeth or done things like that then

804
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:21,130
you obviously get affected if you're

805
00:33:24,029 --> 00:33:22,570
eating and drinking it's gonna affect it

806
00:33:25,649 --> 00:33:24,039
all that kind of stuff I think it's kind

807
00:33:28,169 --> 00:33:25,659
of for a good baseline but bear in mind

808
00:33:29,159 --> 00:33:28,179
humans lie all the time we lie to

809
00:33:31,470 --> 00:33:29,169
ourselves

810
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:31,480
all the time so you know people be

811
00:33:36,330 --> 00:33:33,130
taking their temperature just after

812
00:33:39,090 --> 00:33:36,340
they've had breakfast because I just do

813
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:39,100
it now exactly exactly you know people

814
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:41,679
do it with the pill oh you smoke the

815
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:43,690
pill at the same time every single you

816
00:33:48,330 --> 00:33:46,090
come off it by a couple of hours

817
00:33:54,629 --> 00:33:48,340
occasional you could miss a day yeah and

818
00:33:56,340 --> 00:33:54,639
then I'll just take two tomorrow now

819
00:33:58,110 --> 00:33:56,350
what would you so is there one William

820
00:33:59,070 --> 00:33:58,120
honest legend specifically at all or

821
00:34:00,720 --> 00:33:59,080
like as you mentioned the author is

822
00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:00,730
there one a pig I mean you mentioned the

823
00:34:04,919 --> 00:34:02,769
recycle one is there one that you would

824
00:34:07,049 --> 00:34:04,929
suggest we have a look at to go haha I

825
00:34:09,329 --> 00:34:07,059
think one of my favorite modern ruse is

826
00:34:11,339 --> 00:34:09,339
this whole blocking cell phone radiation

827
00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:11,349
all that kind of stuff because I just

828
00:34:16,169 --> 00:34:13,929
love the fact that if that did work your

829
00:34:18,659 --> 00:34:16,179
phone would not work it's so easy to

830
00:34:20,460 --> 00:34:18,669
test hmm but everyone still oh you still

831
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:20,470
see people nowadays they even have the

832
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:21,970
ones that go in your headphone jack if

833
00:34:24,540 --> 00:34:23,440
you've still got a headphone jack and

834
00:34:25,859 --> 00:34:24,550
all that kind of stuff you just thing

835
00:34:27,210 --> 00:34:25,869
like aurilla you're advertising to the

836
00:34:30,180 --> 00:34:27,220
world that you've bought into this

837
00:34:32,369 --> 00:34:30,190
expensive knob you can get small Faraday

838
00:34:34,409 --> 00:34:32,379
bags but for your phone can't you so

839
00:34:36,089 --> 00:34:34,419
that yes it doesn't work but that isn't

840
00:34:36,450 --> 00:34:36,099
very good because then your phone's not

841
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:36,460
working

842
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:38,290
yeah I've actually seen the quite a few

843
00:34:43,619 --> 00:34:40,720
artists do this at gigs now where when

844
00:34:44,970 --> 00:34:43,629
you go in they they force you to hand in

845
00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:44,980
your phone to be put into this little

846
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:47,470
like magic bag that stops all you know

847
00:34:51,060 --> 00:34:49,570
and it's for security so obviously they

848
00:34:52,859 --> 00:34:51,070
lock it away in a locker or they give it

849
00:34:54,450 --> 00:34:52,869
back to you but it's locked which I

850
00:34:56,849 --> 00:34:54,460
think it's like an interesting idea but

851
00:34:58,140 --> 00:34:56,859
if you've got kids you know and it's

852
00:34:59,820 --> 00:34:58,150
always a babysitter with them the last

853
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:59,830
thing you want is to be thinking oh god

854
00:35:02,339 --> 00:35:00,880
I could be getting a phone call right

855
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:02,349
now and I wouldn't know about it so

856
00:35:05,070 --> 00:35:03,520
they're mainly worried about you filming

857
00:35:06,810 --> 00:35:05,080
their concert that's a problem right and

858
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:06,820
like screens everywhere I think that

859
00:35:10,020 --> 00:35:08,560
kind of stuff is you know the technology

860
00:35:11,849 --> 00:35:10,030
obviously exists and it works but I

861
00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:11,859
think it's been poorly implemented like

862
00:35:15,210 --> 00:35:13,569
you can't go about forcing people you

863
00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:15,220
should be encouraging people to enjoy

864
00:35:18,809 --> 00:35:17,710
your gig more and then maybe you won't

865
00:35:21,780 --> 00:35:18,819
be attached to your phone the whole time

866
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:21,790
and has anyone ever watched a video that

867
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:23,920
they've taken of an artist on stage I

868
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:25,599
don't who who has watched the one-hour

869
00:35:30,660 --> 00:35:29,200
video that they've made sound yeah you

870
00:35:31,980 --> 00:35:30,670
go on YouTube because you want to see

871
00:35:33,089 --> 00:35:31,990
that gig from last night that you

872
00:35:40,050 --> 00:35:33,099
couldn't go to and it's something

873
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:40,060
utterly awful next to the speaker the

874
00:35:45,050 --> 00:35:41,530
whole time it's just like bouncing

875
00:35:51,839 --> 00:35:49,559
exactly and of course we have a return

876
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:51,849
you who've we got here Jessica has it

877
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:53,410
right yeah you haven't been here for a

878
00:35:57,390 --> 00:35:55,569
while no I've been visiting with uni

879
00:35:58,829 --> 00:35:57,400
stuff and then feeling stressed and

880
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:58,839
feeling exhausted but I'm here tonight

881
00:36:02,309 --> 00:36:01,119
I'm very happy to be here oh it's great

882
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:02,319
and now you've had a bit of time to

883
00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:04,089
think about what modern whoo you've

884
00:36:07,410 --> 00:36:05,470
encountered maybe you've encountered in

885
00:36:15,150 --> 00:36:07,420
your job or your studies what's a new

886
00:36:16,650 --> 00:36:15,160
word that's come about I think one thing

887
00:36:18,750 --> 00:36:16,660
I mean this might have already been

888
00:36:20,970 --> 00:36:18,760
covered in different skeptical fields I

889
00:36:23,820 --> 00:36:20,980
think it has been the thing that Gweneth

890
00:36:25,980 --> 00:36:23,830
Paltrow was promoting that were these

891
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:25,990
little stickers of like astronauts suit

892
00:36:30,570 --> 00:36:28,960
fabric or so they said I imagine so many

893
00:36:32,130 --> 00:36:30,580
things on her site you could have

894
00:36:35,849 --> 00:36:32,140
mentioned and this is what I don't know

895
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:35,859
about tell us this it was sort of

896
00:36:39,089 --> 00:36:36,970
stickers that you're supposed to stick

897
00:36:41,579 --> 00:36:39,099
on your body that apparently is made out

898
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:41,589
of the fabric of astronaut suits I have

899
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:47,290
no idea if it was probably wasn't Noble

900
00:36:50,460 --> 00:36:49,089
little stickers so I can imagine some

901
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:50,470
people would really like to accessorize

902
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:52,839
with them which is not a problem in and

903
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:53,920
of itself as long as they're not too

904
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:55,690
expensive but they were making quite big

905
00:37:00,270 --> 00:36:57,490
claims I don't remember exactly but I

906
00:37:00,990 --> 00:37:00,280
think it was relating to maybe health or

907
00:37:02,609 --> 00:37:01,000
Oh

908
00:37:05,730 --> 00:37:02,619
Tricia's pulled it up what does it say

909
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:05,740
they do by frequency by frequency

910
00:37:09,390 --> 00:37:07,839
healing I don't know what that means but

911
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:09,400
I think it probably doesn't work I

912
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:11,770
suspect it's probably at the frequency

913
00:37:14,579 --> 00:37:13,210
of the earth or something like that so

914
00:37:16,410 --> 00:37:14,589
it balances you with something is that

915
00:37:18,180 --> 00:37:16,420
the go 45

916
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:18,190
you don't have to put anyone in your

917
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:19,450
special purpose do you it's nothing like

918
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:21,370
that is it I mean it's good as pastor

919
00:37:24,270 --> 00:37:22,960
she tells a lot of people to put things

920
00:37:25,650 --> 00:37:24,280
in their intimate regions that they

921
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:25,660
probably shouldn't put there to begin

922
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:30,400
with like smoke and Jade eggs so there

923
00:37:36,420 --> 00:37:34,240
they target imbalances and it's

924
00:37:39,330 --> 00:37:36,430
programmed to an ideal frequency I don't

925
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:39,340
know what that means though okay that

926
00:37:45,330 --> 00:37:44,050
means nothing well yeah well I think

927
00:37:47,100 --> 00:37:45,340
that is a pretty new one and basically

928
00:37:48,630 --> 00:37:47,110
if you're looking for the new maybe her

929
00:37:50,130 --> 00:37:48,640
sight group you to do video or whatever

930
00:37:52,050 --> 00:37:50,140
it is called me the place to look really

931
00:37:54,030 --> 00:37:52,060
isn't it I think I better go talk to

932
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:54,040
some other people thank you you've all

933
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:55,330
made me feel I'm gonna go on the goop

934
00:38:06,330 --> 00:38:05,070
it's Jessica senior who is one of the

935
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:06,340
convenience here at skeptics in the pub

936
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:08,710
Jessica I noticed that the Australian

937
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:11,050
skeptics have a new thing happening a

938
00:38:17,100 --> 00:38:16,480
blood drive yes this initiative was

939
00:38:18,750 --> 00:38:17,110
thought of by

940
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:18,760
Alethea Dean one of our committee

941
00:38:27,390 --> 00:38:23,130
members and so we we've got ourselves

942
00:38:30,030 --> 00:38:27,400
registered with the red cross blood bank

943
00:38:33,140 --> 00:38:30,040
as a group under the name of Australian

944
00:38:37,759 --> 00:38:33,150
sceptics very imaginative

945
00:38:39,950 --> 00:38:37,769
and anybody can roll up and donate under

946
00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:39,960
the name of our group but we also

947
00:38:44,930 --> 00:38:41,640
thought it'd be really really fun to

948
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:44,940
have a specific occasion group root

949
00:38:49,489 --> 00:38:47,490
donation so we're going to have a blood

950
00:38:53,359 --> 00:38:49,499
drive and it will be spread across a

951
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:53,369
week but we will all go or we'll get as

952
00:38:58,849 --> 00:38:55,890
many people together to go to the town

953
00:39:02,870 --> 00:38:58,859
hall blood bank donation center on

954
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:02,880
Saturday the 8th of September and we're

955
00:39:07,279 --> 00:39:04,170
going to have to stagger the bookings

956
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:07,289
because there's a limited number at one

957
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:09,569
time that can actually be they can only

958
00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:11,730
handle thank X amount of people they can

959
00:39:17,299 --> 00:39:14,579
only handle X amount of people but we're

960
00:39:19,370 --> 00:39:17,309
all gonna roll up we're gonna slot

961
00:39:23,140 --> 00:39:19,380
people into various time slots somewhere

962
00:39:26,269 --> 00:39:23,150
between 11 o'clock and one a 1 p.m. and

963
00:39:28,970 --> 00:39:26,279
then as people finish we're going to go

964
00:39:31,370 --> 00:39:28,980
after the pub hey now I like the sound

965
00:39:35,329 --> 00:39:31,380
of this yeah I think it's going to be

966
00:39:37,819 --> 00:39:35,339
good fun and committee members can't

967
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:37,829
donate for various reasons so they will

968
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:40,079
be they will be there for support and

969
00:39:46,009 --> 00:39:43,200
handing out lollies and cakes and other

970
00:39:48,019 --> 00:39:46,019
delicious treats to the donors this is a

971
00:39:51,979 --> 00:39:48,029
wonderful idea now how can people find

972
00:39:53,299 --> 00:39:51,989
out more about this for the newsletter

973
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,309
that will be details in the newsletter

974
00:40:00,739 --> 00:39:55,200
details details on the Facebook page

975
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:00,749
details on the meetup group and all the

976
00:40:09,170 --> 00:40:06,930
regular outlets they Saturday the 8th of

977
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:09,180
September certainly the 8th of September

978
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:11,130
I'll be there I'll be giving blood may

979
00:40:15,170 --> 00:40:13,410
not will be there passing out yeah I'm

980
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:15,180
look I really think it's important thing

981
00:40:18,529 --> 00:40:16,890
to do I would love to do it but every

982
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:18,539
time I've taught like so the problem is

983
00:40:21,229 --> 00:40:19,890
I would like to have a sedative and the

984
00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:21,239
problem is if you're under the effects

985
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:22,680
of a sedative you probably can't give

986
00:40:26,930 --> 00:40:24,960
blood I'm sure we can manage something

987
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,940
for your main art I'll see what I can

988
00:40:29,539 --> 00:40:28,079
find out I'll see what I can

989
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:29,549
I've just been talking to the naughty

990
00:40:34,579 --> 00:40:32,880
corner I saw that yes and look and and

991
00:40:36,049 --> 00:40:34,589
look that but lots of new whoo that we

992
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,059
hadn't thought about that to come about

993
00:40:40,020 --> 00:40:38,640
and and I've got some research to do

994
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:40,030
that's all I'm gonna say

995
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:42,370
very interesting thank you main up Thank

996
00:40:47,970 --> 00:40:44,650
You Jessica you are most welcome see you

997
00:40:49,590 --> 00:40:47,980
at the blood drive which I learned may

998
00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:49,600
not learn a valuable lesson about things

999
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:51,730
tonight what's that be careful what you

1000
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:53,650
say to people about whether berries pot

1001
00:40:57,720 --> 00:40:55,930
organs are ready for various seasons and

1002
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:57,730
when you're asking a question of a

1003
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:00,160
scientist talk loudly and be clearly and

1004
00:41:06,510 --> 00:41:02,890
I was wasn't I said it smile when I

1005
00:41:07,770 --> 00:41:06,520
asked my question at night you did sorry

1006
00:41:09,690 --> 00:41:07,780
we're just still working on how to use

1007
00:41:11,610 --> 00:41:09,700
two microphones here mind you we look

1008
00:41:13,500 --> 00:41:11,620
like we look like we are narrating an

1009
00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:13,510
invisible sporting game don't we because

1010
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:15,070
we're got our mic cubes up on me like

1011
00:41:18,450 --> 00:41:16,930
everybody look just check out the photo

1012
00:41:19,950 --> 00:41:18,460
on the on the website it's hilarious

1013
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:19,960
that's what we look like tonight was a

1014
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:21,520
good night my god thanks for coming

1015
00:41:24,780 --> 00:41:22,810
along we've got some nice interviews

1016
00:41:26,670 --> 00:41:24,790
with some skeptics am i right yes and I

1017
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:26,680
spoke to a scientist and I asked a clear

1018
00:41:30,540 --> 00:41:28,960
question but I wasn't ready for when the

1019
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:30,550
person gives you fault Oh what do you

1020
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:33,040
mean by that and what do you really want

1021
00:41:36,510 --> 00:41:35,170
to say I just read it on the web it's

1022
00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:36,520
what you really want to say but that was

1023
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:37,630
cool it was a good thing now who's up

1024
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:39,370
next month do we know we don't know I

1025
00:41:43,500 --> 00:41:41,770
will we'll find out soon but whoever it

1026
00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:43,510
is it's sure to be a good night had a

1027
00:41:46,740 --> 00:41:45,310
big crowd here tonight people still here

1028
00:41:48,450 --> 00:41:46,750
talking and drinking which is really

1029
00:41:50,250 --> 00:41:48,460
good and for Perth lessness to the

1030
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:50,260
sceptic zone I'll be DJing at the

1031
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,330
Hellenic Club there in Perth one show

1032
00:41:55,740 --> 00:41:54,160
only on the 11th of August so come along

1033
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:55,750
we're going to be having a big back to

1034
00:42:00,450 --> 00:41:58,480
eighties night it's may not in Perth how

1035
00:42:02,820 --> 00:42:00,460
can people find out more about them if

1036
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:02,830
they go to the Maynard website or they

1037
00:42:06,540 --> 00:42:05,050
go to the Maynard Facebook page or they

1038
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:06,550
just drop me a line but basically the

1039
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:09,010
Hellenic Club on the 11th of August from

1040
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:11,050
8 o'clock till late I'll be playing some

1041
00:42:13,530 --> 00:42:12,250
80 stuff there and we're gonna have a

1042
00:42:15,690 --> 00:42:13,540
huge night one show only because

1043
00:42:17,730 --> 00:42:15,700
basically after that I'll be asked to

1044
00:42:20,430 --> 00:42:17,740
leave Western Australia you will folks

1045
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:20,440
over in Perth there's the clue go along

1046
00:42:41,650 --> 00:42:36,020
[Music]

1047
00:42:44,890 --> 00:42:41,660
this Tuesday night B 7th of August from

1048
00:42:48,010 --> 00:42:44,900
7:30 p.m. at the Maury skeptics in the

1049
00:42:50,980 --> 00:42:48,020
pub just south of Melbourne a talk by

1050
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:50,990
mal Vickers the shock highest of the

1051
00:42:59,100 --> 00:42:55,890
skeptics are in a constant battle with

1052
00:43:01,290 --> 00:42:59,110
marketeers of ineffective products one

1053
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:01,300
might argue that taking a homeopathic

1054
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:05,290
product does you no harm or taking mega

1055
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:08,770
doses of unnecessary vitamin supplements

1056
00:43:14,670 --> 00:43:12,130
it may be the case however if you are

1057
00:43:17,310 --> 00:43:14,680
taking a non therapeutically proven

1058
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:17,320
product in preference to a product that

1059
00:43:22,260 --> 00:43:20,290
actually works for those excess vitamins

1060
00:43:25,410 --> 00:43:22,270
simply finish being flushed down the

1061
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:25,420
toilet we need to question both the

1062
00:43:30,210 --> 00:43:28,090
efficacy of the products and the

1063
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:30,220
significant financial drain on our

1064
00:43:36,930 --> 00:43:33,420
society over 1 billion dollars per annum

1065
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:36,940
mal will name and shame the shonky

1066
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:39,760
estufa reputed goods companies how can

1067
00:43:43,410 --> 00:43:42,850
this be determined what measures can be

1068
00:43:45,540 --> 00:43:43,420
used

1069
00:43:49,530 --> 00:43:45,550
finally you will look at what's in the

1070
00:43:51,090 --> 00:43:49,540
TGA s new quote permitted indications

1071
00:43:52,890 --> 00:43:51,100
and quotient regulations

1072
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:52,900
what have the therapeutics goods

1073
00:43:58,349 --> 00:43:55,450
companies done to get around the new

1074
00:44:01,380 --> 00:43:58,359
regulations and continue to sell shonky

1075
00:44:04,260 --> 00:44:01,390
products via pharmacies mal Vickers is a

1076
00:44:06,420 --> 00:44:04,270
prominent Victorian skeptic he has been

1077
00:44:08,670 --> 00:44:06,430
working with Kent Harvey and others for

1078
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,680
a number of years exposing ineffective

1079
00:44:14,210 --> 00:44:11,200
complementary medicines and ineffective

1080
00:44:16,339 --> 00:44:14,220
healing practices

1081
00:44:19,580 --> 00:44:16,349
that sounds like a fascinating night

1082
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:19,590
more details look for the link on this

1083
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:21,570
week's show notes or you can go to meet

1084
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:25,050
up and look for more D mor di skeptics

1085
00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:49,440
in the public and joining me now all the

1086
00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:51,000
way from beautiful Auckland New Zealand

1087
00:44:55,460 --> 00:44:53,310
is the chair of the New Zealand skeptics

1088
00:44:56,450 --> 00:44:55,470
Craig's here oh hello Craig hello

1089
00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:56,460
Richard how you going

1090
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:58,650
I'm very well good to catch up with you

1091
00:45:03,620 --> 00:45:01,440
I know that I think we last met in

1092
00:45:06,260 --> 00:45:03,630
Queens down a couple of years back when

1093
00:45:07,940 --> 00:45:06,270
I attended the New Zealand conference

1094
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:07,950
the skeptics conference and my goodness

1095
00:45:11,660 --> 00:45:09,810
me what a what a wonderful conference

1096
00:45:14,270 --> 00:45:11,670
that was in Queenstown just took my

1097
00:45:16,970 --> 00:45:14,280
breath away it's a beautiful spot yeah

1098
00:45:19,220 --> 00:45:16,980
the the the the spot was absolutely

1099
00:45:21,260 --> 00:45:19,230
fantastic and it was hard to concentrate

1100
00:45:23,390 --> 00:45:21,270
on the speakers sometimes because the

1101
00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:23,400
viewer the you across the lake was

1102
00:45:27,620 --> 00:45:25,710
absolutely mesmerizing I guess that was

1103
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:27,630
the fatal flaw because if people could

1104
00:45:31,490 --> 00:45:29,609
even look at the speaker or gaze out the

1105
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:31,500
window and see the most beautiful

1106
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:34,800
scenery yes indeed

1107
00:45:39,579 --> 00:45:37,770
Siddalee is nice but of course this year

1108
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:39,589
we're holding it in Auckland which is

1109
00:45:44,180 --> 00:45:41,730
we're not claiming on having any

1110
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:44,190
fantastic scenery for people to look out

1111
00:45:48,349 --> 00:45:46,770
the window at so hopefully hopefully

1112
00:45:51,530 --> 00:45:48,359
people will pay more attention to the

1113
00:45:52,940 --> 00:45:51,540
speakers I hope so now this is a great

1114
00:45:55,339 --> 00:45:52,950
chance for us to talk about the upcoming

1115
00:45:57,260 --> 00:45:55,349
New Zealand conference folks that's

1116
00:45:58,940 --> 00:45:57,270
gonna be as Craig said in Auckland I

1117
00:46:02,210 --> 00:45:58,950
noticed at a place called butterfly

1118
00:46:05,420 --> 00:46:02,220
Creek and yeah what's that that sounds

1119
00:46:09,650 --> 00:46:05,430
very nice yeah it's it's a really great

1120
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:09,660
venue so it's sort of a combination of

1121
00:46:15,970 --> 00:46:12,810
sort of a wildlife park where well not

1122
00:46:18,109 --> 00:46:15,980
not sort of a park but and they've got

1123
00:46:20,690 --> 00:46:18,119
animal exhibits and they've got this

1124
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:20,700
lovely sort of warm room where they've

1125
00:46:25,460 --> 00:46:22,650
got all these butterflies flying around

1126
00:46:27,550 --> 00:46:25,470
so you can walk through the room and see

1127
00:46:29,020 --> 00:46:27,560
all these fantastic

1128
00:46:30,850 --> 00:46:29,030
trophical verifies that you would never

1129
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:30,860
get to see in New Zealand because we're

1130
00:46:36,940 --> 00:46:35,090
not that tropical and that is that there

1131
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:36,950
is our conference venue as well so we've

1132
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:38,810
got so we've hired that place of the

1133
00:46:42,940 --> 00:46:40,970
weekend and so people would come along

1134
00:46:45,370 --> 00:46:42,950
to see to the conference will also get

1135
00:46:47,470 --> 00:46:45,380
opportunity to visit the the butterfly

1136
00:46:50,110 --> 00:46:47,480
Creek facilities and see all the amazing

1137
00:46:52,420 --> 00:46:50,120
exhibits they've got there and we've got

1138
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:52,430
some amazing exhibits ourselves in terms

1139
00:46:59,140 --> 00:46:56,240
of the speakers that we've got so yeah

1140
00:47:02,500 --> 00:46:59,150
we've got a fantastic array of speakers

1141
00:47:05,860 --> 00:47:02,510
and most of them from from New Zealand

1142
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:05,870
that's quite fitting I think indeed yes

1143
00:47:13,330 --> 00:47:08,690
so we tend to sort of concentrate on

1144
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:13,340
sort of a combination of science topics

1145
00:47:20,590 --> 00:47:16,370
and sort of blending in with scepticism

1146
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:20,600
and sort of how it relates to to culture

1147
00:47:28,090 --> 00:47:24,800
and so on so so one of our sceptical

1148
00:47:30,460 --> 00:47:28,100
speakers would be Ian Bryce who's who

1149
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:30,470
I'm sure you're aware of he's come from

1150
00:47:36,130 --> 00:47:32,930
the the Australian skeptics so he he is

1151
00:47:38,140 --> 00:47:36,140
a veteran investigator for the

1152
00:47:40,090 --> 00:47:38,150
Australian skeptics and he's done a lot

1153
00:47:42,670 --> 00:47:40,100
of investigations over time which I'm

1154
00:47:44,860 --> 00:47:42,680
sure you're aware of oh absolutely and

1155
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:44,870
folks this is a probably worth the

1156
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:46,970
ticket price alone Ian Bryce is a wealth

1157
00:47:52,330 --> 00:47:49,730
of knowledge of skeptical investigations

1158
00:47:55,690 --> 00:47:52,340
here in Australia dating back well over

1159
00:47:58,990 --> 00:47:55,700
30 years he's been forefront in in

1160
00:48:01,030 --> 00:47:59,000
busting charlatans and dodgy devices and

1161
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:01,040
all sorts of things and his knowledge of

1162
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:04,010
physics is well it leaves me in the dust

1163
00:48:08,170 --> 00:48:06,530
truly that would be he's an interesting

1164
00:48:11,410 --> 00:48:08,180
man that would be an interesting talk

1165
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:11,420
I'm sure yeah we actually had him here

1166
00:48:15,790 --> 00:48:13,970
earlier in the year he was over here

1167
00:48:17,140 --> 00:48:15,800
visiting New Zealand and so he popped up

1168
00:48:20,290 --> 00:48:17,150
at one of our skeptics in the pubs

1169
00:48:22,450 --> 00:48:20,300
uh-huh ups and yeah so we got to know

1170
00:48:24,460 --> 00:48:22,460
him in and there was it was fantastic so

1171
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:24,470
we've been invited and back to speak at

1172
00:48:33,310 --> 00:48:27,170
our conference and we've got a variety

1173
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:33,320
of sort of local local celebrities and

1174
00:48:39,070 --> 00:48:35,210
also academics who are speaking on a

1175
00:48:40,490 --> 00:48:39,080
variety of science and skeptical based

1176
00:48:43,700 --> 00:48:40,500
topics

1177
00:48:45,110 --> 00:48:43,710
one of the really fascinating speakers

1178
00:48:48,830 --> 00:48:45,120
were going to have as a guy called dr.

1179
00:48:52,580 --> 00:48:48,840
alex taylor and he is specializing in

1180
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:52,590
research into the the intelligence in

1181
00:48:57,980 --> 00:48:56,010
our native kea bird and that's something

1182
00:48:59,540 --> 00:48:57,990
that your listeners would probably be

1183
00:49:02,720 --> 00:48:59,550
really interested in having a look up if

1184
00:49:05,420 --> 00:49:02,730
you look up kea now kea this is our

1185
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:05,430
native alpine parrot and they are

1186
00:49:11,060 --> 00:49:07,890
incredibly intelligent and you can

1187
00:49:13,220 --> 00:49:11,070
probably find some euros on youtube of

1188
00:49:15,230 --> 00:49:13,230
the sort of displays of intelligence

1189
00:49:17,810 --> 00:49:15,240
that these these birds have and they are

1190
00:49:20,090 --> 00:49:17,820
just amazing these are the birds of the

1191
00:49:23,330 --> 00:49:20,100
famous for wreaking havoc amongst people

1192
00:49:26,510 --> 00:49:23,340
and motorists and so forth yeah so you

1193
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:26,520
see it's quite perverse really you'll

1194
00:49:31,250 --> 00:49:28,380
find tourists are quite fascinated with

1195
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:31,260
taking videos of these birds destroying

1196
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:36,210
cars and car parks it's I've actually

1197
00:49:42,380 --> 00:49:38,610
had some personal experience myself and

1198
00:49:45,050 --> 00:49:42,390
that I was I was up skiing in the South

1199
00:49:47,240 --> 00:49:45,060
Island once and one of these key is flew

1200
00:49:50,090 --> 00:49:47,250
up and I had my ski helmet on the ground

1201
00:49:53,570 --> 00:49:50,100
and it took quite an interest in my ski

1202
00:49:55,820 --> 00:49:53,580
helmet and and and it was basically

1203
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:55,830
watching me to see whether I was

1204
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:58,050
watching it and as soon as I turned my

1205
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:00,480
head away it would go and walk up to the

1206
00:50:03,950 --> 00:50:02,160
ski helmet and start attacking it and

1207
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:03,960
trying to pull it apart as soon as I

1208
00:50:11,420 --> 00:50:06,450
took my head back it would turn away and

1209
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:11,430
walk away as if not not me I'm fat

1210
00:50:15,860 --> 00:50:13,890
really folks to spend some time to go to

1211
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:15,870
youtube and look up kea bird that

1212
00:50:23,350 --> 00:50:20,130
there's no larious videos yeah so one of

1213
00:50:25,250 --> 00:50:23,360
the interesting topics that we've got

1214
00:50:27,020 --> 00:50:25,260
we've got a couple of speakers we're

1215
00:50:29,660 --> 00:50:27,030
going to be talking about the myth

1216
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:29,670
controversy here in New Zealand and the

1217
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:31,290
idea and we're and the myth controversy

1218
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:34,800
is that we have I'm sure you're aware

1219
00:50:39,110 --> 00:50:36,690
that there's a drug called crystal meth

1220
00:50:41,090 --> 00:50:39,120
oh yes which there's a which is

1221
00:50:44,330 --> 00:50:41,100
unfortunately prevalent here in New

1222
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:44,340
Zealand and so what's happened is that a

1223
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,490
lot of the the rental and tenancies here

1224
00:50:50,810 --> 00:50:49,200
in New Zealand there's all these

1225
00:50:52,850 --> 00:50:50,820
companies that have popped up and said

1226
00:50:53,930 --> 00:50:52,860
okay we're going to come and do some

1227
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:53,940
tests

1228
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:57,690
property to see whether it's been

1229
00:51:02,990 --> 00:50:59,760
k'temeré a myth Wow

1230
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:03,000
the people people cooking myth and and

1231
00:51:09,770 --> 00:51:07,520
so on and so there's there's all these

1232
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:09,780
rental properties the supposedly

1233
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:12,780
contaminated by meth and there's been no

1234
00:51:17,210 --> 00:51:14,510
proper standards that have been set up

1235
00:51:20,839 --> 00:51:17,220
by the government to say well this level

1236
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:20,849
of myth is actually contamination from

1237
00:51:25,099 --> 00:51:23,010
cooking and it means that it's actually

1238
00:51:27,650 --> 00:51:25,109
unsafe to look and to actually live in

1239
00:51:30,620 --> 00:51:27,660
the house versus or somebody's actually

1240
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:30,630
smoked some myth in this house and and

1241
00:51:36,349 --> 00:51:33,960
therefore that the the level there is is

1242
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:36,359
is not as high and we've had this sort

1243
00:51:40,849 --> 00:51:38,480
of scandal people have actually been

1244
00:51:42,980 --> 00:51:40,859
chucked out of their houses because

1245
00:51:44,809 --> 00:51:42,990
there's some contaminated contamination

1246
00:51:47,530 --> 00:51:44,819
in the house and then they've sort of

1247
00:51:50,450 --> 00:51:47,540
been hit with these huge bills for

1248
00:51:53,569 --> 00:51:50,460
fixing up the houses when there's

1249
00:51:56,450 --> 00:51:53,579
actually no no sort of really logical

1250
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:56,460
standards related to this level of

1251
00:52:00,980 --> 00:51:57,930
contamination that there's actually

1252
00:52:03,140 --> 00:52:00,990
dangerous so that's going to be a really

1253
00:52:06,140 --> 00:52:03,150
interesting topic to hear about wow

1254
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:06,150
really an unusual but interesting topic

1255
00:52:09,370 --> 00:52:07,680
because I can see where a dose of

1256
00:52:11,690 --> 00:52:09,380
skepticism would come in very useful

1257
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:11,700
yeah it's a it's a it's a great

1258
00:52:16,339 --> 00:52:13,770
intersection between sort of skepticism

1259
00:52:19,010 --> 00:52:16,349
and science and and actually sort of

1260
00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:19,020
critical thinking and all they all that

1261
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:21,480
good stuff that we like to promote and

1262
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:23,609
you've also got a professor who's into

1263
00:52:31,370 --> 00:52:27,599
geology coming along geology

1264
00:52:33,710 --> 00:52:31,380
paleo ecology and estro biology so

1265
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:33,720
that's professor Kathleen Campbell so

1266
00:52:38,750 --> 00:52:36,810
she's she researches early life on Earth

1267
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:38,760
and there has implications for the

1268
00:52:43,579 --> 00:52:41,760
potential for life on Mars so that's

1269
00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:43,589
going to be really interesting as well

1270
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:45,569
Wow that would be yeah that's one of the

1271
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:46,890
things I love about these sort of

1272
00:52:50,059 --> 00:52:48,960
conferences around the world people have

1273
00:52:53,059 --> 00:52:50,069
got the notion that you're just going to

1274
00:52:55,370 --> 00:52:53,069
turn up and hear about the latest in

1275
00:52:57,410 --> 00:52:55,380
classical skeptical investigations which

1276
00:52:59,780 --> 00:52:57,420
is great and fun but all the other

1277
00:53:02,450 --> 00:52:59,790
topics that skeptics have to talk about

1278
00:53:04,069 --> 00:53:02,460
you know from geology and astrophysics

1279
00:53:06,859 --> 00:53:04,079
to everything else really make these

1280
00:53:07,790 --> 00:53:06,869
conferences interesting yeah indeed and

1281
00:53:09,530 --> 00:53:07,800
so we're we

1282
00:53:11,150 --> 00:53:09,540
kind of a little boutique conference

1283
00:53:13,130 --> 00:53:11,160
we're probably expecting to have

1284
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:13,140
somewhere around about 100 120 people

1285
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:15,690
along so it's really kind of intimate

1286
00:53:19,340 --> 00:53:18,090
and it's a really good chance to get to

1287
00:53:21,260 --> 00:53:19,350
know other people that attend the

1288
00:53:22,730 --> 00:53:21,270
conference and to to actually be able to

1289
00:53:24,860 --> 00:53:22,740
spend some quality time with the

1290
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:24,870
speakers as well and I noticed that

1291
00:53:28,700 --> 00:53:26,370
you're going to have a welcome event on

1292
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:28,710
the Friday night of the Convention which

1293
00:53:33,950 --> 00:53:31,530
will be a sceptically themed Pub Quiz

1294
00:53:37,490 --> 00:53:33,960
night yeah we always like to do

1295
00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:37,500
something like that so that it's almost

1296
00:53:43,310 --> 00:53:40,710
fun I think last year we had a similar

1297
00:53:45,830 --> 00:53:43,320
sort of thing and in the in the prize

1298
00:53:50,420 --> 00:53:45,840
for the evening was a Scientology

1299
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:50,430
textbook everybody needs one of those

1300
00:53:54,770 --> 00:53:52,410
and of course a highlight of any

1301
00:53:58,970 --> 00:53:54,780
conference like this is the the annual

1302
00:54:01,070 --> 00:53:58,980
dinner yes yes so we'll have the dinner

1303
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:01,080
on Saturday night so that's a good

1304
00:54:06,410 --> 00:54:03,570
chance to sort of sit down with the

1305
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,420
speakers and everybody else and when

1306
00:54:11,300 --> 00:54:08,880
we're not yet booked but we will be

1307
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:11,310
having some entertainment there that

1308
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:13,170
evening which will be of interest to

1309
00:54:17,660 --> 00:54:14,610
people with their critical thinking

1310
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:17,670
skills and interest in science excellent

1311
00:54:21,410 --> 00:54:19,410
well look Craig it sounds like a

1312
00:54:25,940 --> 00:54:21,420
fantastic conference folks the website

1313
00:54:28,010 --> 00:54:25,950
is conference dot skeptics dot in Z head

1314
00:54:30,140 --> 00:54:28,020
over there now have a look if you're in

1315
00:54:32,180 --> 00:54:30,150
New Zealand I think you should attend

1316
00:54:33,740 --> 00:54:32,190
this conference absolutely or if you

1317
00:54:35,930 --> 00:54:33,750
know people listening around the world

1318
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:35,940
if you know some Kiwi friends please let

1319
00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:37,650
them know about this upcoming conference

1320
00:54:41,950 --> 00:54:39,870
and as I said I was there a couple of

1321
00:54:45,650 --> 00:54:41,960
years back and I had a wonderful time

1322
00:54:47,180 --> 00:54:45,660
mm-hmm and we've got I know that there

1323
00:54:50,090 --> 00:54:47,190
are some Australians have already booked

1324
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:50,100
some tickets to hit over here so for the

1325
00:54:55,070 --> 00:54:52,290
price of a flight to New Zealand and

1326
00:54:57,740 --> 00:54:55,080
back it's very good value I think so and

1327
00:54:59,180 --> 00:54:57,750
tickets to to fly across the ditch from

1328
00:55:02,210 --> 00:54:59,190
Australia to New Zealand up too much

1329
00:55:04,190 --> 00:55:02,220
folks the conference is from the 16th to

1330
00:55:06,650 --> 00:55:04,200
the 18th of November

1331
00:55:09,410 --> 00:55:06,660
once again conference not skeptics dot

1332
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:09,420
ends in check it out but for now Prague

1333
00:55:13,780 --> 00:55:11,850
Shira thank you very much thank you

1334
00:55:20,420 --> 00:55:13,790
Richard

1335
00:55:25,020 --> 00:55:23,100
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1336
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:25,030
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1337
00:55:28,350 --> 00:55:26,770
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1338
00:55:29,850 --> 00:55:28,360
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1339
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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone now a couple of announcements from

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me a couple of bits and pieces I in the

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last week I was on ABC radio here in

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Sydney which was broadcast all over the

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state of New South Wales and the

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Australian Capital Territory I got about

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half an hour

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am i speaking about the bent spoon award

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and testing psychics and all sorts of

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things I'll link to that audio on the

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show notes if you want to have a listen

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it's a bit of fun also if your visit

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some of my origami posters I've made

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many posters in fact but a couple of

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them I've put up in high resolution on

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wiki as it happens and I've put a link

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down the bottom so if you you don't like

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to uh scroll down there and have a look

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you might like to print those out I

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think they'd be good in kids room or

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maybe something like that anyway those

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13th and the 14th of October here in

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with the story of the naturopath who is

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currently serving time for endangering

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the life of a small baby I hope to bring

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you a report from the meet the scientist

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night at the Powerhouse Museum here in

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Sydney Metz on the 9th of this month

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Thursday the 9th I'll put a link in the

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speed meet a scientist you might see me

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there and also hopefully

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bringing you a short report about the

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mystery investigator show once again

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Maynard and I head through the

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Australian Museum to do our live science

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show for school kids but until then this

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is Richard Saunders signing off from

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